(These facebook conversations are from 2013. I’m reposting them to save myself the trouble of having to repeat myself and explain my position when my character and motives are attacked. My responses are in blue.)
3:58am Feb 15
To Anthony - this is the biggest problem for victims, division, compartmentalization (sorry, have no idea how to spell that). We need one unifying idea we can all agree upon and I see there is urgent need to take "conspiracy flair" from TI, Mk, rfid, etc. issues, we have to legalize them and make communities admit it as a fact that is necessary to be investigated - legally, technically, biologically, medically, socially and psychologically. We need trustworthiness in the issue, science, etc. And each of us needs information from one source, maybe some already existing organization or group?
There is a major problem with relying on one source for information, Duck Hunt. A single source of information gives that source the ability to control the group and what it believes. It can easily lead to cultism, which I see taking place with certain people who act as ‘spokespeople’ for many TIs. When many people rely on a single source (or a few sources who work together and effectively support each other), and begin to put more and more trust and reliance on it, ‘groupthink’ is the result. When this happens, you have a problem where the weight of common belief among the group tends to cause critical thinking to be avoided, and the introduction of alternative ideas come to be seen by the group as an aberration on the harmony of the group, who all follow the same belief. Critical thinking and alternative ideas NEED to be introduced to assure that groupthink doesn’t occur and people don’t get led astray with false information. In TI groups especially, where many of the facts behind the issues aren’t at all certain and people are already weakened by their situations, someone acting as a single source of information has incredible power to take advantage of the group and draw it away from ideas and information that they might not want people to consider. The intel agencies that are essentially responsible for all this targeting know this very well, and can and will create spokespeople who have the ability to develop a strong following. Even apart from the influence of intel agencies, spokespeople can take advantage of the situation and start milking the group for money or personal power. I see it happening regularly. This is exactly how cults develop. I see signs of this in these groups as well.
5:19pm Feb 15
Anthony, I would like to inform you , that if you want't those specifics, feel free to reach NSA in the USA ! I am sure they will be glad to provide you with all the information you are seeking . Or you may hire yourself an expert in these weapons and devices ! Magnus, Lars, or Jesee , do not owe you specifically any information disclosure . Simple as that . Additionally , as lawyer's say , " you would like others' the above mentioned TIs' to serve you information you are seeking on a silver platter with gold trim " ! And that , isn't going to happen to you . If you want something , nothing is for nothing .You want something , you have to work for it ! Meaning, go, seek what you are looking for on your own !
No, it’s not as simple as that, for the sake of being honest with all the TIs who might fall for these spokespeople’s claims.
Scientific explanations for the technology that Magnus Olsson (or anyone else) claims to exist don’t require contacting the NSA. Scientific facts are verifiable through other sources. Making legitimate claims about the technology requires knowing it well enough to describe how it works in scientific terms. That’s what anybody should expect. The point is, Ollson and these others you mention act like they’re so certain of themselves that they go around promoting their claims as fact when it should be DEMANDED that they have ascertained that there are no other explanations for the experiences that TIs are having, otherwise they’re nothing more than con artists and snake-oil salesmen. It’s as simple as THAT.
And why are you so willing to support them, anyway? What’s in this for you, Marika Bandera? Since you so quickly call me a perp for rightfully questioning the claims of Olsson without having any apparent reason to believe them yourself, why are you and certain others acting as his front-line defense? It could be that YOU are a perp, helping in a psyop program. I’ve already done the research to prove scientifically that these implant technologies have to be other than what is being claimed by so many snake-oil salesmen that come and go and damage the clarity of mind regarding the facts that TIs need to have to get help for their situation. Without those facts, there’s never going to be any way to prove beyond any reasonable doubt to a court or other government body that the experiences TIs are having are legitimate. I don’t doubt that TIs experiences ARE real, but not what people like Olsson, Beltran, and many others who have come and gone claim they are. This will only make TIs look delusional without them having those facts to present when the time comes to face the authorities with them. So, until then, what’s the point of Olsson going around giving lectures to more and more TIs to draw them into his following, instead of collecting the necessary facts that will prove this in a court of law, which he and Beltran and others SHOULD be doing if they really want to help them?
If you don’t get it, and you really have nothing to gain by supporting him by arguing with TIs like me who want evidence that will actually hold up in court, I advice you to back the fuck off NOW.
Marika Bandera commented on Hunam Sanctem's post in Targeted Individuals International.
6:09am Feb 15
I do not believe that I have to back up anything about Magnus legitimacy to you or anyone here , really . Those of us who know him , we know him that's good enough for us how , or what we know about his crudential , or work. Besides, Magnus is busy giving lectures and seminars in Europe about the technologies and weapons being used on individuals wide spread in Europe and North America . That's more than most of us all together have ever done so far here on this side of the globe. Lars in Europe is also very active and engaged giving seminars like Magnus! If you want to know more, feel free to ask another great activist here in america Jesse Beltran who made the effort to meet personally both Magnus and Lars, as well many other European TI's ! Jesse was also interviewed on " White TV- channel ", in Sweden together with others. All 3 of the above gentleman work in co-ordinated fashion to inform the general public about TI happenings ! It's regretful if anyone here lacks to follow these 3 great guys activist work . Since all 3 of them forward to the rest of us updates of their ongoing activities in from of websites, and or videos ! If I may add , I most certainly do not know neither one of your's credential if you guys' here are even legitimate TI to start with , but I don't pick bones with you about it! If I may suggest, instead of ranting here , perhaps you guys may want to consider take a more active role and be a true activists. You can get in touch with Jesse, should you need any tips, on how to ! Hope i have answered your questions satisfactory !
Marika Bandera gives a very good example of what I warn about with these spokespeople who act as supposed ‘informed parties’ and start to seek a following that can lead to a cult following (and seems to be, in Magnus’ and Jesse’s case). Do you not already see how his ardent believers have developed groupthink and close themselves off to alternative opinions? This is why it’s extremely crucial that Magnus provide the technical information that would support his claims. This is also why it’s important that he doesn’t close himself off to questions from outsiders who haven’t bought into his belief system. She says that he’s busy talking elsewhere about the tech, but that doesn’t qualify as a reason to avoid the hard questions. I have looked at some of his information, and find it very weak on facts. It’s far easier for him to keep looking for new audiences and introducing his ideas to them than to face those left behind who have since looked further into what he says and discerned the faults within it. He, and others like him, always expect the questioners to follow a paper trail of useless information that they refer to as ‘evidence’. He should be focused on facts, not his own subjective interpretation of his or other’s experiences based on mere assumptions drawn from a few facts that don’t really add up to what he claims.
Jesse Beltran is another person I would like to talk to and ask some serious questions.
That these people work together is extremely suspicious as well. That any of them are too busy giving lectures, or that they have been on TV, is completely irrelevant. That just shows that they’re interested in popularity and/or money. I’ve been asked on a number of occasions to go to TI conferences and speak (even offered money to do so), and I immediately refused. I’m NOT going to go that route and get caught up in the glory or even possible manipulation as a psyop dupe, as I think these people are. TIs around the world can already access what I have to say through my published work. What’s the point of wasting my time like these others do going around repeating myself over and over when my energies are better spent doing more research to find out more facts and eliminate the myths and fallacies?
I wonder, Marika Bandera, what do these ‘updates’ actually consist of? What valuable new information could these spokespeople possibly be getting when they’re so busy giving lectures and scanning for implants?
BTW, my credentials are shown in the quality of my published work. Have you ever seen the diplomas that Olsson should have from his schooling in economics (which is another word for marketing)? Or do you just accept that he’s telling the truth and then buy into everything else he tells you?
‘Picking bones’, as you call it, is important. As for taking an active role, Marika Bandera, you just need to look at my work so far. I put ALL my time into this, all day, every day, for years now. If anything, I deserve a pat on the back, not your ignorant slights and accusations.
Here are some links to some of my work that you can start with, if you have the wherewithal to consider it…
This next one is the ONLY one I ask money for, and only a very small amount…
Marika Bandera commented on Hunam Sanctem's post in Targeted Individuals International.
6:40am Feb 15
Thank you Michael . As anyone who knows me by now I don't beat around the bush and most certainly don't go around picking on any TI or pretend to be more smarter or important than any other person here ! After all, we are all of us here in this predicament together ! No one is lesser or better ! Mutual respect for TIs' is my policy .
Liar. You just picked on me and Hunam Sanctem for daring to think critically about the claims of Olsson. Just because we’re all facing similar problems doesn’t entitle you to try to knock someone’s intelligence down to your level so you feel more of an equal. It’s up to you to smarten up, in every sense of that term. Nobody here is claiming to be smarter or more important than everyone else. Sorry for you that you see it that way and can’t deal with it. That’s how lazy fools excuse themselves from having to actually think or be useful members of society. I’m NOT going to kiss anybody’s ass and descend to their level of thinking just to fit in and be liked. This issue is FAR too important for that sort of social behavior. TIs who want support should be willing to learn, as much as anything, and how I support TIs is to educate them. If you don’t want that, go hang out somewhere else, or avoid whatever threads I’m in. It’s as simple as that.
FEB. 12/2014 NOTE: After posting a link to my latest blog entry in the group POLICE - MILITARY - MIND CONTROL on facebook, I was immediately kicked out by the moderator, Denis O’Sullivan, and then Marika Bandera began attacking me online in other groups and completely misrepresenting what I had said in that blog as well as my character. I believe, from looking at the members of that group and recognizing many of the names from past experiences with them, that that group is a cult group. Beware!